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Title: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Goldleaderone on April 14, 2017, 04:55:54 PM
We have a teaser trailer here.

It's also been confirmed that sadly, Billy Dee will NOT be reprising his role as Lando. Maybe Episode 9.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Tamer on April 15, 2017, 07:23:10 AM
So what do you think? Is Luke the Last Jedi or what? Sounds like two different voices on that line to me.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Mr. Black on October 16, 2017, 05:01:58 AM
So, who is excited to go see TLJ? I know I am, especially after that latest trailer. It seems TLJ, just like TESB, will be of a much darker tone, perhaps even darker. But I also think it won't be a 'rehash' of TESB (you know, the lead porg claiming to be Rey's father :p ).

I plan on seeing it opening day, which is..... wait for it...... December 13th here in Holland :D  :D :D  0/ vadsab
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Tamer on October 17, 2017, 02:20:05 AM
Yeah, looking forward to the Heavy Walkers personally. I know a lot of folks are hating the rehash so to speak, but I am so looking forward to that snowy ground battle. I will probably try to see it in our dinner theatre place (Alamo) and maybe make a whole day out of it and stay up late, etc. I may also try to get my Driver costume out and troop a bit.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: hemble on December 16, 2017, 10:39:44 PM
I saw it today with my 8 yr old son and we both loved it, it's not the originals or Rogue One but it is very entertaining.


Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Tamer on December 17, 2017, 06:01:45 AM
Here are just some of my initial thought folks:

Well, I saw this yesterday morning and must say I was pretty pleased with this one. It was awesome to see all the nods to the original trilogy films for those of us that mainly love those, but the story-line was original enough that this wasn't just a rehashed version of TESB in my opinion. I also really enjoyed the space and ground and lightsaber battles and there is definitely enough old and new vehicle and ship love to go around to keep us all happy. I think the same thing can also be said with alien races and beasts.

About the only drawbacks I will say for now is that I thought humor was almost forced into this movie at times and a few things were a little far fetched to be believed, but still it wasn't glaring enough to leave me feeling cheated overall.

It will be fun to nitpick this in the future after we have given folks enough time to see this so we can post those spoiler elements and not worry about ruining the film for those who haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Luke Sprywalker on December 17, 2017, 10:25:43 AM
Hello everyone! I saw it opening night with a big group of fans. I got to troop as a Tuscan Raider with my friends in the Local 501st group Carolina Garrison. My local comic shop puts on big events for movie openings and has art on display, gaming tables set up and photo ops with Carolina Garrison. So we had a grand time and were all hyped up. Shawn I hope you were able to troop with a few others!

To stay spoiler free, I will leave out a detailed break down. Maybe we can get the gang back together for a review full of spoilers after Christmas. In general, I really enjoyed this film. I am not a big fan of the slapstick comedy but there were times where it worked. Other times were corny and one went on for far too long. The plot was not what I expected but I don't go into these new films with a list of expectations. I go in with an opened mind and just want to see what the next chapter will bring us. Great character development on Kylo, I like him more now. Some aliens I liked some not so impressive. I enjoyed all of the battle scenes and the ending. I guess that is about all I should say for now.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: JDeck on December 17, 2017, 11:37:04 AM
I have to say I did enjoy the film. Halfway through I thought boy oh boy this is bad... really bad. However it redeemed itself in the second half. The comedy was too much at the begining like Monty Python's Star Wars, but it slowed down. The porgs were..... well.. porgs, very Disney. I like Canto Blight only because it is filmed in Croatia where I will be visiting soon. Other than that i didn't care for it, the aliens could have been better, i think.  Speaking of aliens I actually like the Force Nuns, and the Green milk scene. Lol

  Like I said it redeemed itself with the lightsaber fight, the space battles and new ships. It had the WW2 movie feel that I like about Star Wars. I have to admit I am a believer in ReyLo. Lol. And that is definitely happening. Which is funny because everyone thinks it is so outrageous. Despite what people say I like Luke in this movie. So... yeah it was a good movie. Yes there were some cring worthy moments, but the fact that it was fearless and inventive, I have to give it some slack.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: hangarbay94 on December 20, 2017, 09:04:38 PM
Hmmm. see why the film has split opinions, but I am one of the positive voices.

It was definitely following the Empire Strikes Back in the way it takes the story, it was almost operatic. Lots for everyone to enjoy, the Jedi fans, the special effects fans etc.

I have read some of the criticisms, but actually I think some are totally unfounded especially where it takes the two main characters. The interplay between them was really good I thought.  In terms of justifying Kylo as a villain, its Star Wars and its always had odd characters that just don't fit, I am happy to go with the flow and putting him into context with the full story behind the Saga, it has to be a Grandson of Skywalker for the whole thing to make sense. He's certainly more of a psycho than his Grandfather, and in Dark Side Jedi terms, that's not good for the Galaxy.

As someone seeing people around me growing old, its was emotional seeing the movie move through the generations. When you look at the film from that perspective its also very good. The world changes and I guess the galaxy far far away changes in just the same way too. We fight wars one generation and things change as generations pass. I missed the old days, and thats how it is as we grow older too. I hope that fans who have grown up at different points in the saga will enjoy it for different reasons, seeing it from different perspectives. I saw it as Luke's generation, and I felt the sadness. To me if a film stirs emotion thats a great result.

If we take this movie as a piece of art, I think it was beautiful and poignant. The bond between the younger characters is beginning to become clear and that was what made the first movies so good. Upon reflection, some of the writing was really fantastic. Some great moments in this one, the scene with R2D2 was bitter sweet and how Luke played out was brilliant I thought.

I am sure we can all nit pick, but to me Star Wars is sacred, and I will enjoy this movie again, I think it ranks as one of the better ones in terms of how it makes you feel.

Personally I think the very final scene was the best of the  film, somehow it seemed to convey the magic and wonder of the whole Star Wars Saga.

I think it left the door open for a great ending to the full saga and I am now really looking forward to Ep9.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: CamoDeafie on December 22, 2017, 07:58:41 PM
Saw it open captioned for my birthday; have to say... being someone who has not delved as deeply into the old EU Legends, and someone who enjoyed both Trilogies, even considering how some scenes were badly acted in both.... I must say, this Episode was pretty good, sure compared to the very dark and gritty Rogue One, and compared to the "Not a Rehash but a rehash of Star Wars" in TFA; there was more comedy in it... but it also had more serious scenes, especially concerning Leia and Luke, and it had great "From a Certain Point of view" subplot relating to Kylo.... overall, it could have been done better, but it is better done than Ep 1 and 2. I love the ship designs, wish we could see more of them, and I liked the storyline, it wasn't following ESB scene for scene..  and I did see an awesome easter egg in one scene...  [at1]
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: jkno on December 28, 2017, 03:48:50 AM
I guess among the TLJ partisans, adorers, haters, apologists etc. there is also my kind: indifferent(ists).
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: (SID) on December 28, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
I thought the movie was terrible personally. Looked like a TV SHOW in standard. 3D (imax) was way better it actually looked more polished and not dull and flat (like standard).

TLJ is nothing more the franchise bait that ponders to the youngest and least intelligent moviegoers.

The Harry Potter ending is proof that Disney doesn't know or care about SW 
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Phatty on December 31, 2017, 06:15:45 PM
Ok, it looks like there have been some pretty detailed reviews, and after 2 weeks, I’d hope you’d all have seen the film, but just in case...


First and foremost: I freaking LOVED this film!  Probably at least Top 3 Star Wars film for me, behind ROTJ and ANH, and MAYBE even ahead of ANH.  Seriously, I felt like this film tied every other film together in a way that packaged up the Saga, with the knowledge that we’ll be moving forward from here on out. 

I feel like the film was far more of a thinker than many give it credit for.  A lot of the reviews I’ve read approached the film as a WYSIWYG type of movie, but I picked up a lot of the key elements on what was said, and what wasn’t seen.  There was a general theme to this film, and it was that the Legacy of Skywalker is that of the Dark Side, no matter who you’re talking about.  Additionally, the Legacy of the Jedi is one of failure and tragedy.  These two notions are what the movie was developed from, and what the entire Saga is drawn from. 

Anakin started out as a young, enthusiastic (and obnoxious) young boy why just wanted to right the wrongs of the galaxy.  In the end, he was done in by Sith treachery and fell to the Dark Side hard, killing off almost all of the Jedi in the galaxy.  In the end, he redeemed himself for his son and daughter, the very two individuals he began his journey to the Dark Side to try and protect to begin with by somehow saving Padme from dying during child birth.  Kylo, according to this film, had already begun his descent before his confrontation with Luke.  But most importantly, we see the Luke had fallen, at least slightly, to the Dark Side by seeking to strike down his own nephew.  There is little knowledge given about his thoughts and feelings before their confrontation, but we see he is willing to kill his own family rather than see the Sith return, and we know that Fear is the pathway to the Dark Side.  While most of the EU has been written off by Disney, we do know that Luke has fallen more than once to the Dark Side.  He even cuts himself off entirely from the Force, for fear of his own inability to control his emotions.  So we see that a Skywalker, any Skywalker, can and likely will fall to the Dark Side of the force, and Luke does not want to impart that travesty to anymore students.

We see that once again, the Jedi fail to prevent the Sith from rising.  Luke wishes to burn the Jedi text, ancient texts that predate even Yoda, from a time when the Jedi first began.  He wishes to end the legacy of failure by the Jedi, and when Yoda appears, he doesn’t try to stop him.  Yoda’s final teachings are that it’s time to let go of the past, and trust in the future.  Without saying it, Yoda tells Luke to go ahead and burn the texts, because the future of the Galaxy, of the Jedi, is not contained in a book, and perhaps it’s time to try something different.  Yoda never stops teaching, and Luke still never listens.  These two elements are incredibly powerful, when considered.  Rey is the future, let her learn in new ways and trust in her heart. 

I’ve read a lot of complaints on how Luke leaves the series, and I have to also disagree with the naysayers.  Obi-Wan was called the Rebellion’s Only Hope, and he fulfilled his role perfectly.  He sacrificed himself in ANH by becoming One with The Force before Vader struck him down.  He did so to become a catalyst to motivate Luke into following his journey to becoming a Jedi.  It was exactly what the Galaxy needed to be saved from the Empire, and it worked.  It was wise, it was well thought out, and it worked.  Yoda, used his powers with The Force to keep himself alive until Luke could return for his final lesson, and then became One with the Force to continue his teachings with Luke.  Luke, after reconnecting to The Force, and being one of the most powerful Jedi in history, used what power he could muster to say his goodbyes to Leia, and even C-3PO, and face off against Kylo in order to give Rey and the Resistance a chance to escape.  He sent Kylo into a fit of rage that won’t be forgotten, and accomplished his task.  He was the Resistance’s Last Hope, and he gave them that hope.  As he sat on the meditation rock, he faced out towards Twin Suns, very similar to the Twin Suns of Tatooine, where it all began.  Full circle, Luke’s journey ended where it began, and then he became One with the Force. I can’t think of a better way for Luke to have gone out.

Porgs: I love the little buggers, and want a dozen in my house.  Seriously, they cracked me up.  I know, they’re cutesy, Disney propaganda to appeal to young children.  But appreciate them for what they are: Comedic relief.  The scene where they stared down Chewbacca for trying to eat one of their own, their infestation of the Falcon, and especially their attempt to howl like Chewbacca was fantastic.  Loved every bit of it.  Bring them on!

Leia, floating in space, doesn’t die, and makes her way back to a ship with no jetpack?  Ok, this one was a stretch, even for me.  Granted, she STILL is the daughter of Anakin Skywalker, but never as trained as Luke or other Jedi.  Still, it was a weird scene, and unnecessary.  That was their chance to phase her out of the franchise since she actually died.  However, they had filmed all of her spots prior to her death, so perhaps it would have really wrecked the bulk of the movie to reshoot all of the other scenes.

I would like to know more about Snoke: Where did he come from?  Why is he disfigured?  Why was he so powerful?  But now he’s gone.  Is he?  Sith have a habit of rebuilding themselves with mechanics, so is he actually dead?  We never see his ship be COMPLETELY destroyed, or anything else happen to his body.  Just saying...

But there are a few questions remaining: Where did Rey come from, and what is her legacy?  And What’s in store for Kylo Ren?  Who are the Knights of Ren?  How does that all figure in with the Saga? 

The last element that I think doesn’t sit well with fans and casual viewers alike is, the entire movie broke the mold.  In the OT and PT, the middle films end in devastation and on a dark note, with the Bad Guys winning the day.  But this movie was different.  The Good Guys won.  The First Order was defeated, their leaders dead, their armada destroyed, and the Resistance got away.  Leia and the Resistance lives, Rey conquered her fears and became more in tune with The Force.  She is learning to harness her seemingly incredible Force powers, and she resisted both Snoke and Kylo.  She’s the first in a new line of Jedi, and she’s not afraid of that. 

I loved this movie.  Every aspect.  Where the minor elements seemed to fall short or really stand out, the rest of the movie redeemed them all.  I can’t wait to see how J.J. Abrams wraps it all up!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Tamer on January 01, 2018, 08:21:13 AM
Yes I think now the time for spoilers is ok. Surely everyone has seen it that wants to by now. Rave away folks. I will when I get a chance to set down and do it correctly.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Mr. Black on January 03, 2018, 09:10:10 AM
Seen it five times now, more viewings planned. I'm working on a detailed personal review/opinion of it, but in a nutshell? Awesome installment of the saga, my third favourite SW movie, for sure.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Mr. Black on January 07, 2018, 09:15:05 AM
Ok, I have now seen The Last Jedi five times in the cinema. I’ve seen it in 3D, 2D and on New Year’s Eve in Laser 3D with Dolby Atmos. That was pretty impressive.
Just like the movie itself is pretty impressive. Which is, of course, my personal opinion. I think the various trailers were setup pretty well, i.e. in throwing fans off track. Rey suddenly summoning Kylo’s lightsaber? Snoke reaching out with two fingers outstretched a la Obi-Wan vs. Grievous? Leia looking out the window, with Kylo seemingly ready to blast her into oblivion? None of that in the actual movie, so that’s a plus for me.
Being the middle installment of a trilogy, comparisons to TESB are easily made. But I told myself this is a whole new trilogy and shouldn’t be compared to the OT or the PT. The Star Wars community seems to be really split now that TLJ is out. I’m no psychologist, but I just can’t get with the fans who call this movie awful, rubbish and that it er…. raped their childhood., without any further explanation. I think those fans forget they first experienced Star Wars (whether it’s OT or PT) when they were kids themselves. But that’s modern times for ya, with comfy anonymous ‘social’ media and all that ;)
Enough of this, on to the movie itself. Like I said, I’m one happy fan. The more I see it, the more I enjoy it. First of all, the quirky humor. To me it’s well placed and timed. This time BB-8 gets to say the famous words “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” and the way Poe stalls time is pretty darn funny. Too Marvelesque you say? Well, what about “boring conversation anyway”, the Stormtrooper bumping his head, Leia’s sharp remarks to our heroes, etc.? I say Marvel humor is heavily based on the style of humor Star Wars has shown us. Throughout the movie, more of these funny moments can be enjoyed, such as Luke trying to teach Rey a thing or two.
Those first scenes were great. I loved the attack by Poe and the bomber squad on the dreadnought. You could feel how desperately Poe wanted to destroy one of those fleet killers, making you get a sense of how much the Resistance had already suffered from those immense battleships. The way nearly the entire squad was lost, was very dramatic and the whole part had a WW2 feel to me, especially the designs of the bombers and crew. 
Now, straight on to Luke. We all envisioned how Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master, could… would… should finally look like in this movie. But that’s all based on the numerous tales in video games, novels, comics, our own minds and that can be quite hard to let go off. I thoroughly enjoyed Mark’s performance of Luke. If you follow him on social media or watch interviews with him, you know he’s got a pretty peculiar sense of humor. Add to that the fact that he gave voice to one of the crazies villains in animation history, it wasn’t difficult for me to accept his portrayal of Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master in exile. The way he looked when he drank some of that milk or when he pole vaulted to the edge of that cliff… it had something maniacal to it. Heck, I even spotted a dash of Joruus C’Baoth in him sometimes. But Luke was also still Luke, as so well put by Yoda. I’m not entirely sure, but I think that was an actual Yoda puppet. Mark and Frank Oz connect so well when they play those characters. Great scenes to see. As I’ve said, Yoda again reminds Luke to look at what’s in front of him. And that seemed to get the message across to him, because in the end he finally made his appearance, at the right time. The first time, my heart was skipping beats like crazy, especially when he took in that barrage by those AT-M6s (and the tiny AT-AT). Reminded me a bit of the Luke you can see in the awesome Dark Empire comics. When it became clear he wasn’t physically there, but Force projecting himself from the across the galaxy, that actually showed even more what a true Jedi Master was capable of. And in the end, he apparently succumbed to his efforts, but I don’t think the Force projecting itself did that. Since he apparently was able to connect physically with his surroundings (he brought the dice to Leia), I think he actually really took in the laser bolts and saber cuts during that battle. And that was what eventually killed him.
As for Leia, uhm…. Great performance by Carrie, better than in TFA, but yeah… the whole space scene still feels a bit odd to me. Apparently, Leia was more Force sensitive than we were led to believe after ROTJ. But now that Carrie isn’t with us anymore, I wonder how they’re going to work around that for episode IX. I think she’ll be mentioned in the opening crawl. Something like “….after the passing of General Leia Organa five years ago, the Rebellion has….”. Or something like that.
Adam and Daisey have really grown into their characters and the chemistry between them is definitely there. I really liked the scenes with Snoke as well. You could feel the anger building up in Kylo as Snoke continued to downplay him. And when Kylo ordered the attack on Luke, man, he was absolutely full of anger and hate. This guy has now totally derailed. It was also very obvious Rey was still incredibly naive. I mean, she was so convinced of Kylo turning to the light side and the way his future looked. Luke warned here it wouldn’t go the way she thought, but she didn’t listen. But she develops her Force abilities in an impressive pace and by the time Ep IX is upon is, I think we’ll see a Rey that’s on level with the Jedi Knights of old.
I’m still on the fence about Finn and the development of his character. The mission he and Rose were on…. I’m not sure what that really adds to the storyline of the movie. But I did like Canto Bight and its entourage. In every SW movie we get to see a sequence featuring a variety of aliens: the cantina in ANH, Jabba’s Palace in ROTJ, the podracers in TPM, etc. New designs are constantly thought up and combined with existing ones. I read a lot of comments on the fact we hardly get to see any “classic” aliens in the sequel trilogy and actually none on Canto Bight. About that last bit, I think it’s justified not to show Aqualish, Trandoshans, Rodians and such there. To me, those aliens have always been the ones a few step further down the social ladder. You know, aliens with dubious careers and all that. But the ones on Canto Bight, war profiteers, are much farther up the chain. And I really liked the designs. But did you notice the bird like creature in the background, while that little guy threw coins in BB-8? If that’s not a nod to Jim Henson’s Skeksis in the Dark Crystal, I don’t know what is. And how about the slot machines themselves? Totally reminiscent of V.I.N.CENT from the Black Hole!
But like I said, I can’t quite place Finn and Rose, not even after the battle on Crait. I don’t know how Finn’s character will develop. Although I have this strange idea, Finn is actually the one unwillingly leading the First Order to the locations of the Resistance. After all, he was a stormtrooper and probably has an embedded chip somewhere…. Maybe that’s what Hux meant by having them on the end of a string, not the fact they could track them through hyperspace.
Anyway, this is already a very lengthy 2 cents, let me wrap it up. Holdo’s sacrifice: one of the best scenes. The boy pulling the broom towards him and holding it up at the end of the movie, also great use of in universe reference. The Porgs are a very nice touch and very funny. Very cool to see that more and more. I’m very curious as to where things will go on from this. It’s not a middle part like TESB or AOTC, but feels more like ROTJ the way it ended. Will Luke return as a Force spirit? How will the creators handle the fact Carrie Fisher isn’t with us anymore? Will we get answers as to how it’s possible for Force spirits to physically connect with life beings? Is Kylo lying to Rey about her parents (I think he is)?
Yep, I’m definitely a fan of this movie and this trilogy. It’s time to let the past die and make way for new heroes. And I’m glad the old heroes get their parts to play out, instead of having new characters just thrown at us out of nowhere.
Oh and for those who say it’s all just another Disney marketing scheme to sell more merchandise. Well, guess what? Star Wars has always been that :) Just watch the first episode of the Netflix series The Toys That Made Us.

Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Tamer on January 08, 2018, 03:18:33 AM
Wow, all kinds of awesome points here Remco. I found myself nodding to most. I need to set down and write all my things down here real soon too. So tempted to try and get the gang back together to podcast on this. I just have no time!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
Post by: Mr. Black on January 08, 2018, 06:41:36 AM
A few other things I noticed: Luke’s black outfit with the white shirt underneath it is very much like a reverend/priest. Maybe it was deliberately symbolic to show Luke trying to purge the evil from Kylo. Also, Luke doesn’t leave any footprints on the ground during his battle with Kylo.

Furthermore, I couldn’t really find the right image online, but the souped up AT-STs on board Snoke’s ship reminded me of those in The Force Unleashed I or II. Again, not sure, could also be I remembered some concept artwork.

But it’s just great to see these tiny points of recognition of other franchises and even the EU… er… sorry Legends universe.