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Imperial Entertainment TV and Movies => Star Wars Movies => Topic started by: rex smoke on October 21, 2013, 01:35:47 PM
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So my friend is really being ignorant here. He says all prequels are horrible along with all the characters in them and George Lucas is a complete idiot. How can I at least convince him that George isnt what he says he is and that there is some good in the prequels?
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you cant, your friends right ;)
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I mean come on though you have to see some good in them!
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you cant, your friends right ;)
Right on the money. Prequels were crap. Clones are the only good thing from them
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you cant, your friends right ;)
Right on the money. Prequels were crap. Clones are the only good thing from them
Really guys? you dont even like jango or the arena battles?
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Dude, there's a lot wrong with the prequels. there's absolutely no comparison to the OT. My biggest complaint with the PT is the universe is in no way believable. Whereas the OT universe looked real. How can the technology get better when you go back in time? CG yoda was retarded. Jar Jar made PM almost unwatchable. The best character was killed in the first movie (Qui-Gon). Hayden Christensen (sp?) is a terrible actor. The story was way too big for 3 movies. And to be honest, Lucas isnt a good director or screenwriter. The lines in epIV are laughable, but the lines in the PT are unbearably corny. The "love" between Anakin and Padme felt very forced and that was basically the crux of all three movies. The worst thing GL did was turn Vader into a whiney b*tch. Remember epII "Obi-Wan's holding me back!!".
Im sorry, but your friend is right. I still love the universe and the figures, but the PT was OK at best.
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you cant, your friends right ;)
Right on the money. Prequels were crap. Clones are the only good thing from them
Really guys? you dont even like jango or the arena battles?
They ruined the man behind the dented helmet by giving us his past. He was much more bad when he was mysterious.
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Really guys? you dont even like jango or the arena battles?
nope dont like Jango but I'll give you that SOME of the battels were okay, but I'll be honest, some of the vehicles were pretty cool, I mean, who doesnt like ATTEs?
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I'm going to weigh in here and put down why I dislike the PT in point form.
. Way to much CGI
. The CGI dominated EVERYTHING...even the story which took a back seat to the CGI
. The acting was awful
. Jake Lloyd
. Jar Jar Binks
. Goofy Battle Droids
. "Roger Roger"....makes me cringe everytime
. The political stuff was weak
. Anakin constructed C-3PO.....OH DEAR GOD....He should of been Padmes droid
. Slap stick
. No consistency in the story
. Boba Fett as a kid
. Jango being the Clone template was just an excuse to introduce Boba (fan servicing)
. Pod Race (should of been Landspeeders)
. Useless Jedi...inept fools
. The "love" story made Twilight look awesome
. Hayden whatshisname
. Whiny Anakin
. Anakin became Vader waaaay to late. Should of happened in AOTC
. Midi-Chlorians
. Darth Maul was underused and wasn't evil enough...if at all.
. Niemodians
. Elected Queen who's a teenager!!!!!....riiiiiiight
. Queens guards and Naboo Troops just gave up....hardly protection for the Queen.
. I didn't buy the whole "slave" thing in TPM...Anakin and his mum had a fair bit of freedom IMO
. Gungans...ewwww
. Alien species that were never seen again in the OT or TCW
. No one sensed or even picked up that Palpatine is a total fascist....not even all the Jedi on Coruscant...hmmmmmm.....riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
. Parking the Queens starship in the middle of the desert to avoid detection!!!...WTF...Parking a huge reflective spaceship in the desert and under 2 suns isn't exactly hiding it.
. Yodas saber fight in AOTC...makes me laugh everytime.
. Terrible dialogue
. Qui-Gon wanting to be incognito in Mos Espa....let's bring along Jar Jar....WTF?
. No mention of Ahsoka anywhere...you'd think Palpatine would of mentioned her to Anakin to lure him further away from the Jedi.
. No mention of Asajj
. Jabba the Hutt looked terrible
. Theed had no shields, no defences whatsoever...anyone could of taken them over, even my grandmother.
. Padmes botched assassination stuff in AOTC.....missile though the bedroom window...BOOM....Problem solved.
. No formation of any resistance to Palpatine...ROTS we should of seen some resistance...rioting, guerrilla groups etc etc.
. Tarkin should of been a lot more prominent in ROTS than the 2 seconds he got.
. When the Clones appeared no one questioned that and no one thought it was a tad suss that all of a sudden this army appears and Palpatine is still in power etc etc...hmmm.....ooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaay
..................shall I go on?
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Those are some very valid points. And did I mention that is a lot of points to get across? Holy crap. The roger roger one was my favorite. Every time I hear it, it makes me cringe as well. Your point on that made me chuckle when I read it. Awesome. The Qui-gon being stealthy at Mos Espa was classic too.
Me personally, I loved the prequels. Its not up to me to decide how the movies should be made or what outweighed what, in the films. This is Lucas doing what Lucas wanted to do, and I am grateful that he shared it with the world. My moment on the soap box has ended.
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you cant, your friends right ;)
Right on the money. Prequels were crap. Clones are the only good thing from them
Really guys? you dont even like jango or the arena battles?
They ruined the man behind the dented helmet by giving us his past. He was much more bad when he was mysterious.
Whats even more sad is that Jaster Mereel, who would later take the name Boba Fett in the old stories/comics from Marvel/Darkhorse... that lasted even through the 1st canon reboot destroying the Marvel EU, he survived into Darkhorse's Twin Engines of Destruction where Fett talks about the old Marvel tale about him and the other 2 surviving Mandalorians Tobbi Dala and Fenn Shysa leading into the OT from Marvel Star Wars#68. I talked about it over at Rebelscum.com here:
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1105656-3/#post19345187 (http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1105656-3/#post19345187)
All of a sudden in AOTC we had a Jango Fett and a son Boba... me and my brother literally laughed at that.... seriously? thats the best the screen writer came up with?
I suggest reading the now tossed/Legends of Marvel #68 on... and Darkhorse 1Shot Boba Fett: Twin Engines of destruction when he fights Jodo Kast. Who to be honest I could take 1 mandolorian look alike and while I like the mandolorian look I feel it's being overused.... meh. personal preference there.
Like the others said.... the prequels had tons of potential but too much CGI made it too "clean" made me think i was watching a Stargate or Star Trek production at times. Hopefully the new movie will return us to the "used universe" I loved and perhaps some retooling of the dialogue some of the lines Yoda used in ROTS were horrible...lol
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Back to the subject, the fact of the matter is everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some like the prequels while others (Myself included) think they were rubbish for the most part. If he has reasons for his opinion you just have to accept it. You can't make people act the way you want (Hey, I did learn something from my divorce HA).
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what makes the prequels good is 3 things, darth maul, young yoda, and creation of vader, what makes them bad is jar jar binks
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I liked the Clones. Maul was pretty cool too (they killed him off too quick just like Fett).
I think the thing I disliked the most was the whole romance thing between Anakin and Padme. It just seemed so forced. I did not like Hayden Christenson at all.
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The prequals are what they are...it's hard to say what kind of a conversation we would be having if GL had released them in chronological order...take filmmaking technology out of the equation for a second, and imagine that TPM was the 1977 release...might we feel jaded about things like Ewoks vs. Stormtroopers, Luke's uncomfortable "NOOOOOO" in Empire, or how the apparent effects of carbon freezing on Han Solo were blindness, shaking, and gaining 30 lbs.?
We have a skewed perspective having seen 4, 5, and 6 first...being immersed in the mythos, and EU media...
I personally don't care for the "love scenes" between Anakin and Padme, and where Hayden Christansen is really an accomplished actor, I feel as though it wasn't his acting that messed up the role, but the writing, and direction.
The Gungans were dumb, but the concept of the relationship between the Gungans, and the Naboo was a solid one. The Trade Federation droids were a bit much at times, but the droids themselves were pretty cool.
The lightsaber duel between Maul and Obi Wan, although brief, was a choreographed wet dream...I think that is my favorite duel out of any of the 6 films...Obi Wan vs. Jango is another awesome duel...
Anakin was a whiny bitch...I'm thinking about his tantrum at the Lars homestead on Tat., but take your pic really...however it was cool to see him wipe out the sand people, get all aggressive with Zam, and witness his final confrontation with Duku. The confidence, and borderline anger we saw in those scenes is more how I think Anakin should have been represented consistently throughout the trilogy.
I LOVE ALL STAR WARS.
To me, The Empire Strikes Back is not only my favorite Star Wars film, but in my puny mind, the greatest film of all time...and that is something that's going to be pretty hard to beat...even with some of the promising things we've seen and heard about the upcoming episode 7, Empire will be a tough movie to top...
Again...the original trilogy certainly has its drawbacks, but I will jump at any chance I get to become immersed in that universe...
If they made a 2 hour movie of Boba Fett cleaning his kitchen, I would throw money at it, and be thankful that someone out there was willing to give me the opportunity to lose myself in that universe once again.
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Of course as much as we are putting in our very detailed thoughts and opinions in here. We sure have seen em more than once haven't we! ::)
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There are some decent fan edits out there if you want to watch the prequels with out all the stuff we all complain about. Check out fanedit.org.
Servo brings up a very good point, I love being immersed in the mythos and the universe. And Tamer is right on. I've watched each one at least 10 times each.
GL made the prequels with a different fan base in mind. He was trying to hook the younger audience. How else do you explain Jar Jar and the clones? And it worked. Any person under 20 is going to think clones before ewoks, Captian Rex before Captian Piett. But if you take away the Star Wars part, no lightsabers, Sith, Jedi, and they are just so so movies.
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I liked the Clones. Maul was pretty cool too (they killed him off too quick just like Fett).
A buddy of mine once said that what made Boba so cool was lucas didn't give him enough lines to screw him up. In some way ATOC kind of proved that point.
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Daggone good point Zed. Can't argue it one bit.
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I think the problem with the prequels boils down to bad scripting. The story isn't bad. You can be the best director in the world but its impossible to make a good movie with a terrible script. Pretty much all of Anakin's lines were bad. Padme had zero emotion except some parts of ROTS even then it seemed fake. The whole metachlorian thing took away the mysticism of the force. And the Jedi prophecy was unnecessary if the future is always in motion. I just can't get over that Darth Vader made C3PO just irritates me, they should have had him as Amidalla's interpreter.Because Star Wars is a story of two droids and one of them is absent most of the trilogy. And all the silly and campy scenes were obviously directed towards kids but I don't think kids like silliness (jar jar) as much as we think they do. A lot of kids like the OT and there aren't any poop jokes. Other than that its not a bad trilogy.
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I also think they had some bad casting thrown in there too. Namely who they got to play Anakin in Episode 2 and 3.
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I agree anakin should have been completely different. In episode I he should have been about Luke's age 15-17. And by the end of episode III at least 30. What always grinds my gears is that Anakin is I dunno 10 years old and Padme is like 17. Then episode IQ they're the same age. Anakin aged 10 years Padme 3. Kinda strange.
On a different note if Anakin missed his mom so much why did he wait 10 years to come visit her. I could hear his mom now "I undastand. You have important Jedi stuff to do. You go and fight your robots or whateva. Dont worry about me. The sand people are easily startled, I'll be fine."
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I would Ask if individual has seen EP 4-6 (plus RO)... if so and "want more" show THE CLONE WARS (theatrical film) then series. If someone really wants to fill in the gaps then suggest EP 1-3
it's not that the prequels are the worst movies ever made but you need to be in a certain frame of mind to look past things... Unless your a child whom only pays half attention to anything.