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Kenner / Hasbro Collecting => Legacy, Build a Droid, and Vintage Line => Topic started by: B.R. Steel on February 17, 2010, 11:27:18 AM
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I thought I might try breaking up each Vintage figure into a separate post.
Anyway...This Vader is going to have the THREE piece helmet that had actually been intended for TLC--three piece meaning that the neck piece is separate from the head.
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What? Nothing people? No "Woooooo-hoooooooooooooo! Three piece helmet, baby!"
Or maybe I'm just a sucker for all every little tweak to my Vader figures. 8)
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That's cool, But I'd like to see a vader with just the ball joined neck, No removable helmet parts. But it still neat.
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Man, I've got so many Vaders... My favorite is still the battle damaged force unleashed vader.
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I have so many Vaders, its like they gave them out at the drive thru....
Big snore....
Try some new figure that has not been made yet, not re tool some fig for like the 1000th time.
If you did not get it right the first 999 times, one more try is a total waste IMO...
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I dig all the nuances and subtleties between all the different Vader versions. I'm that geek that likes pointing out all the variations. Just the other day I was like, "As you can see this Vader is distinctly different than these 37 other Vader figures. The horizontal, as opposed to the vertical, stitching on his gloves as well as the elbow joints and unique paint job on the revealed Anakin head make him different."
That's part of the fun in it for me. Yeah it's a problem. :)
But really, you have to have a Vader figure come out regularly. We as long time collectors sometimes forget there are new people coming into this hobby all the time. (Quite a few leaving too.) One could argue, Vaders should be delegated to the Legends Line. Even so, if you were new to the hobby and wanted to pick up the Vintage line to keep carded, you'd want a Vader packaged as such. The real problem, in my mind, is when Hasbro has the same character running concurrently in two separate lines.
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I just let my little girl open the old vader that his helmet paritally comes off and you see a part of Luke's face. That one was pretty cool for its time.
I don't mind to see a full superarty vader that has some new featuers. I am just jonesing for a new holographic super articulated vader where we could re enact the Veers scene where he demands a report. Wouldn't that shot look good on a vintage cardback!
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I just let my little girl open the old vader that his helmet paritally comes off and you see a part of Luke's face. That one was pretty cool for its time.
I don't mind to see a full superarty vader that has some new featuers. I am just jonesing for a new holographic super articulated vader where we could re enact the Veers scene where he demands a report. Wouldn't that shot look good on a vintage cardback!
I still hold the "Luke's face Vader" in high regard. It was a clever gimmick that makes for a unique figure.
Holographic figures have never been my thing; but I can see their allure. Still, I'd buy a good holographic Vader if they did him up right. For me, I'd like such a figure to also include a smaller holo-version of him--on scale with the Veers scene you described.
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A good Vader would have to be taller than the rest and a good cape. A great Holographic figure would be able to light up and glow I believe.
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A good Vader would have to be taller than the rest and a good cape. A great Holographic figure would be able to light up and glow I believe.
Wouldn't you love to see a holo Vader like they did with the light up base with the Halo Cortana figure?
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Yeah, I'm actually trying to figure out how to wire up my display cases with lights cuz I want all my holograph figures to light up.
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I would think with electronics now that a small light up base could be created to light up holographic figures.
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I have some bright battery powered LEDs that would work well for this.
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I have some bright battery powered LEDs that would work well for this.
I would love to see you make one!
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They need to definitely make a kneeling Vader Hologram and also spirit of Ob-Wan with his hood on to go with my Hoth/Tauntaun scene.
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They need to definitely make a kneeling Vader Hologram and also spirit of Ob-Wan with his hood on to go with my Hoth/Tauntaun scene.
I think the best a guy could hope for, in regards to a kneeling hologram Vader, would be a holographic type figure articulated well enough to pull off the desired pose.
As for a spirit of Obi-Wan, would a figure done up akin to the spirit of Anakin in the TAC be up to your standard? I could see this one happening.
Someone above mentioned a ball jointed neck for a Vader. There actually is a couple ball joint type necks on at least two Vader releases. Rather than a true ball joint, the joint used enabled the head to look up and down as well as side to side. Hasbro abandoned this joint with the various removable helmet versions. It wasn't a bad joint though. It really offered all the movement ever seen in the films as we never saw Darth Vader cocking his head to the side. Matter of fact I doubt the prop mask would have even allowed such movement.
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I think the perfect Vader would also have some lights in his breathing apparatus on his chest.
I was just looking at some pictures of some figures and I have perfect examples of too much articulation. The new Clone Wars Aayla Secura and the new Slave Leia figure. Mainly the arms. The elbow joints are ugly, no way to hide them.
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I think the perfect Vader would also have some lights in his breathing apparatus on his chest.
My first thought was that it would be awfully tough to fit all the required electronics into the figure's torso. Giving it some additional thought, it could probably be done. There has been some precedent for this type of feature with light up lightsabers on a few of the POTF2 figures from the 90s. Plus, we've had a couple versions of R2-D2 with electronic features. Still, the larger builds of the 90s figures, not to mention R2-D2's barrel shape in itself, provided more space to house the stuff. Yeah, I think it could be done. We probably wouldn't see it in the basic figure price range though. It might be a cool enough feature the price could be justified in the minds of a lot of buyers. I'd get it.
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Yeah, I am gonna try to learn how to do the whole LED light thing cuz the other custom besides a light up Vader I want to try would be Thrawn with glowing red eyes. I think the problem with the LED's is the power source. Maybe if you can attach the figure to a base and wire all the lights to a single power source it wouldn't take up alot of room in the figure itself. I'm sure the batteries is the biggest part. I just think that with all the technology we have to be able to create toys that lets us levitate stuff with our brain, why can't we get some light up lightsabers?
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I hear you on the LED thing. The smallest LEDs I have still need watch batteries to run em.
You guys were talking about leds in that Vader. Here is a TAC Vader that I used neon paint on to light up his chest and belt controls with as well as his lightsaber. Of course you need the presence of a black light to really get em to glow.
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Sweeet!
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I love the idea of a kneeling holographic vader too. When I saw that light up Cortana I said now there is the example for all other holographics to follow no matter what the line. I am a little disappointed that the avatar line didn't use some of that.
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Cool Light up Vader. I use a black light In my display cuz it makes some of the lightsabers look real. Mostly the 90's figures,can't think of the name of the line. I think it was around Attack of the Clones that those lightsabers quit glowing black-light wise. The 1st figures they came out with LED's in the lightsaber were just too big and Ob-Wan had a green one. Wish they would try it again. I never seen the Halo figure light up, but I can tell that is how I want a Star Wars hologram to look like. Maybe we should come up with a good Hasbro Q&A question about light up figures?
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I actually stuck a few surface mount LED's in the holographic table that came with the animated ADMIRAL YULAREN figure. All you need for simple LED lighting is a power source, the LEDs and some resistors so you don't supply too much current, or blind yourself--you'd be surprised how bright an un-current-impeded surface mount LED can get. :o The biggest pain in the butt is that you're working with stuff that's so dang small. (Oh and you need solder and a soldering iron--kind of important.)
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Never got a luke vader...though would have loved one.
A holo vader would be ideal imho.
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I think I asked a Q and A question about the light up Holo Vader and used the McFarlane Cortana as the basis for it and they pretty much said it was an idea, but not much else.
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I think I asked a Q and A question about the light up Holo Vader and used the McFarlane Cortana as the basis for it and they pretty much said it was an idea, but not much else.
Basically meaning, that they want too do it, but want to wait for a price hike to make it more expensive and some kind of exclusive.
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I think I asked a Q and A question about the light up Holo Vader and used the McFarlane Cortana as the basis for it and they pretty much said it was an idea, but not much else.
Basically meaning, that they want too do it, but want to wait for a price hike to make it more expensive and some kind of exclusive.
Thats the idea I got from it too. I was hoping we would see it as this years SDCC or CV exclusive, but no luck.
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I think I asked a Q and A question about the light up Holo Vader and used the McFarlane Cortana as the basis for it and they pretty much said it was an idea, but not much else.
From reviews I've read on the Cortana figure, I've gotten that it works so well because of the lack of joints. With all the clamoring for increased articulation among fans of the Star Wars lines, perhaps Hasbro thinks it would be a dud.
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I think I asked a Q and A question about the light up Holo Vader and used the McFarlane Cortana as the basis for it and they pretty much said it was an idea, but not much else.
From reviews I've read on the Cortana figure, I've gotten that it works so well because of the lack of joints. With all the clamoring for increased articulation among fans of the Star Wars lines, perhaps Hasbro thinks it would be a dud.
I guess that could be true, but Hasbro usually jumps at the chance to give us something that lacks articulation!
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I'm done buying Vader figures altogether so I'll laugh maniacally to myself as I leave this one on the shelf in 6 months. ;D
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I'm only interested in a ANH version with ball-jointed neck that can look down, lightsaber hilt that can hang on the belt, and a wire cape. I'll gladly buy that one. Anything less is useless to me at this point, with all the great versions already available.
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Well, I haven't gotten my hands on a Vader yet (I've only been collecting hasbro for about 4 months), so I can't wait for this line.
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Well, I haven't gotten my hands on a Vader yet (I've only been collecting hasbro for about 4 months), so I can't wait for this line.
This, naysayers ;), is why we have to have at least one Vader figure in the line at all times. People are just coming into this hobby. These folks want at least a few of the basic characters. Not sure if any of you out there remember the Simpson's line a while back; but it's been surmised by a lot of folks in the industry, not being able to find core characters is what killed the line. Also, some of us need to ask ourselves, "What would piss us off even more? The EXACT same figure over and over and over, or at LEAST something that was a bit different?" Cantina or Jabba's court aliens don't make the line. Yeah, I want them too and I buy every single one of them; but they just aren't the foundations for the line--core characters are. And without them in the rotation, the line will die. The thing that will chap my buttocks, however, is if Vader can be found concurrently in the Legends line along side this one.
Oh, and here is a picture courtesy of jediinsider.com:
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Well, I haven't gotten my hands on a Vader yet (I've only been collecting hasbro for about 4 months), so I can't wait for this line.
This, naysayers ;), is why we have to have at least one Vader figure in the line at all times. People are just coming into this hobby. These folks want at least a few of the basic characters. Not sure if any of you out there remember the Simpson's line a while back; but it's been surmised by a lot of folks in the industry, not being able to find core characters is what killed the line. Also, some of us need to ask ourselves, "What would piss us off even more? The EXACT same figure over and over and over, or at LEAST something that was a bit different?" Cantina or Jabba's court aliens don't make the line. Yeah, I want them too and I buy every single one of them; but they just aren't the foundations for the line--core characters are. And without them in the rotation, the line will die. The thing that will chap my buttocks, however, is if Vader can be found concurrently in the Legends line along side this one.
Oh, and here is a picture courtesy of jediinsider.com:
Do you work for Hasbro? I hear what you are saying, but quit standing up for them trying to recycle figures. If Dude wants a Vader, he just needs to go to Wal-Mart and pick up a Vader from the Legacy collection that has been pegwarming for the past 2 years.
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Do you work for Hasbro? I hear what you are saying, but quit standing up for them trying to recycle figures. If Dude wants a Vader, he just needs to go to Wal-Mart and pick up a Vader from the Legacy collection that has been pegwarming for the past 2 years.
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LOL! No. And I do somewhat understand where you are coming from. But having core characters in the line is a necessary evil for us guys who have been in the hobby for the long haul. However I will say, I haven't seen a Vader from the Legacy Collection in my neck of the woods for months! Seriously, months! ;) My area is clogged with Clone Wars and Legends.
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If they would just come out with the Ultimate Vader. The one that everyone says wow! I haven't seen that one yet. Like I said before, my problem with the Vader's that they have come out with so far is the cape. They just haven't gotten it right. When they finally get Vader right, then I won't complain as much about them throwing a Vader in every wave and every other battle pack/comic pack.
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My problem with this is they should have nailed all the characters to the Ultimate Design by now, I don't object to them bringing out core characters, what I object to is them bringing out a core character then a couple of months down the line improving said character a little then another couple of months down the line improving it slightly more, before you know it you have at least 10 of the same figure with slight mods, that could and should have been done to it the first time.
Prime example of this is the Clone Wars Jedi figures, why couldn't we not have got this articulation on the originals instead of having to buy the same figure again with better articulation now.
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I agree with both you guys--it would be nice if they just gave us an ultimate version and stop with the baby-step upgrades. It would solve what seems to be an issue with a growing number of people. I got the impression in one of Hasbro's Q&A sessions that they purposefully hold back on some core characters so as to offer something "new" with each release. Sounds an awful lot like sandbagging. ::)
This "sandbagging" strategy might make sense, even if annoying to most, if your biggest consumer "demographic" was the collector. But Hasbro has told us that, "No, kids make up the bulk of their consumer base." Sure, I think kids want the best version of a character too; but they don't chase these variations like some collectors do. Between a totally new character and an upgrade to a character a kid already owns, most kids are going to go with a totally new one.
I also can't help but remember how the vintage Darth Vader from the 70s and 80s was pretty much the same throughout the entire run (I'm not counting the double telescoping saber) and I'd say that line thrived for a good 7-8 years.
What I'm getting at is Hasbro looks to be contradicting themselves on how they approach these core characters and who they say their primary consumers are. The toy re-launch happened 15 years ago and the line survived through longer stretches without some sort of movie or other media event. Kids don't keep the line alive in these dead periods--1986 proved that. (I say that assuming there wasn't nearly as big as a collecting community back then as there is now.) So collectors must be buying more today than Hasbro thinks or wants to admit. If so, it's time to stop the small incremental steps and give the ultimate. It's kind of like flirting with a woman. Sure it's fun in the beginning, but if it never actually leads anywhere you just get bored, disinterested or ticked off.
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I no longer have a Vader, as I sold all my figures a couple of years back, I'm only just starting to collect again. So I'm really happy there'll be a Vader available. But I would still prefer a Vader with a ball jointed, one piece head.
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Well I picked up this figure because, if you've seen many of my posts, you know how easily I get lured into buying YET ANOTHER DARTH VADER.
It'll come as no surprise to most of you, if you're only interested in an ultimate version at this point, or the separate neck brace piece does nothing for you, this figure is the easiest pass of Wave I. Man, they could have at least done the MOC community the courtesy of making the cardback say simply "Star Wars" (or even "Return of the Jedi") to help differentiate from the last vintage release of Vader. (It would have made me feel better too.) I realize it's ESB's anniversary; but varying the cardback might have added a bit more value for some folks.