thanx,once you figure out how to draw upright then its not so bad,well,I mean,you have to have a steady hand to be able to control the mouse,but other then that,it's all about using it for awhile.I haven't seen a lot of art done using that program so I can't say how others use it,but my style has always been cartoons so that's how it will always come out looking for me.I forget who sent me the link for gimp,it was someone on here,maybe it was you I think VA lol,but I have not tried it yet.