The Imperial Shipyards
Imperial Creative Engineering => Graphic Fiction => Topic started by: Kualan on May 07, 2014, 12:20:04 PM
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Here we go folks, the much long-delayed first issue of Volume Four of Tales From The Clone Wars. To make up for lost time, this issue is a special bumper edition almost twice as long as a regular issue!
Enjoy, and as always feedback is appreciated:
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Utterly fantastic.
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Man, I didn't realize how much I missed this! What a great introductory chapter. You really do seem to capture those small nuances with characters like Tarkin. Wow, I can't wait to see this new bad guy, and a former padawan of Mace! Excellent work Kualan and expect to see this featured here at ISY very prominently on the front page.
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and back with a bang! awesome just awesome!
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Thanks for the front page treatment, Tamer!
Glad you guys liked it. This Volume is going to be very much focused on the shadier side of the Republic, which was hinted at towards the end of Volume Three.
Spies, conspiracies, secret agents will all feature prominently - but there will still be plenty of clones, droids and Jedi battling it out across the galaxy too!
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Very cool!
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Issue Two is scripted, and I hope to have it produced and finished soon!
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Issue Two is scripted, and I hope to have it produced and finished soon!
Awesome, glad to hear it!
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Preview for Issue Two!
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Love it, Mace with hair! Just how I envisioned a younger version. I am telling you I am not convinced he died in ROTS! Off to share.
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Once again excellent work! I cannot wait to see how this plays out! You've once again shown that you are every bite as innovative and engaging as the CW TV series! Keep up the great work!
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superb work mate ,loved it!
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That was really, really amazing work. Talk about a ton of action, great storyline, awesome writing, and jaw dropping effects. Damn that was a good read.
There was so much to like here, but my favorite part was the officer who criticized the Jedi Order right in front of Palpatine. How awesome was that? We really needed a glimpse of that in ROTS, in my opinion. What you did here was a masterpiece. Looking forward to what you have in store next.
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I am having a hard time being patient to see Mace take on a Padawan! That sneak peak was awesome!
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Here is the full version of Volume Four Issue Two: The False Champion!
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I was just talking about this great photo novel series on our latest video episode of Custom Action Figure News. Now I see we get the full chapter. Awesome! Off to share.
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Wow what an amazing chapter! next to maul , mace windu is my favorite jedi, what an awesome backstory for the padawan becoming twisted, really liked this chapter, Amazing work!! ;D
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I took some time to read this again this evening. Wow, I can see that perhaps Kastrofa is getting ready to take a back burner to a new baddie. I can't wait to see his downfall and how Mace brought him to justice. My word I would have enjoyed the prequels a ton more had you penned to story and screen play. Truly you do not get enough credit for the great work you do. I am already impatient for the next chapter.
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Thank you Tamer! And thanks again for the continued support for us graphic novelists on your CAFN podcast. I'm liking the new video format!
Coming Soon: Issue Three - Butcher Of The Outer Rim.
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loved that last chapter! this new one is looking tasty!!
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You are quite welcome Kualan. I am hoping to get you, Jules, and Chewie on a future video installment of CAFN to talk about your great stories.
That poster looks great on the front page. Love the green.
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Wow, simply awesome Kuulan! Can't wait for the next chapter, your work is always amazing!
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Here's the new issue of Volume Four!
Issue Three - Butcher of the Outer Rim. Enjoy!
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Let me know what you think, and hope you enjoy!
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Fantastic! Looks like we might get a little backstory with our new bad guy and Dooku. Just awesome. How I wish you were writing the storyline for the new movies. Trust me this will be shared all over the place in the coming days. Thanks for sharing Kualan!
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Thanks for sticking it on the front page Tamer!
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superb mate ..just superb!!
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Thanks guys! Here's a preview of Issue Four!
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Wow, that looks awesome Mace Windu just looks absolutely fierce! That facial expression on him is fantastic. Off to share.
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You are keeping the Clone Wars alive in style!!! Can't wait for more!!!
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This one took a little longer than the rest, but you here are folks - Issue Four - Confessions!
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Wow, it was nice to get some back story on my new favorite bad buy. Thanks again for sharing this with us Kualan. You know I will be spreading this around the web tomorrow.
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Amazing! I must say, your series makes me feel as if the Clone Wars never ended, your story telling and visuals are truly top notch. As always, you've captured our favorite characters perfectly and introduced compelling new ones! I love the Obisidian reference (KOTOR II was a great game!) and seeing Captain Ozel was a treat! I particularly enjoy the angle you are taking with Mace in your story, very interesting! I also loved the Dooku/Qui-Gon subplot, they are both fascinating characters, I look forward to seeing more of it! I know how much work goes into producing a series such as this, please know that I truly enjoy every issue you create, thank you for your commitment!
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Woah! that was awesome! this is a great story you are weaving here.
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Glad to hear you guys are enjoying it! I'll try to get the next issue up a little quicker than the last.
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Awesome stuff Kualan.
While I will probably always prefer non-digitized stories, I completely recognize and admire the incredible about of planning, talent and dedication you put into this. It's just amazing results for the readers and you deserve the highest praise for what you continue to do.
Very well done, to say the least!
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Preview of Issue Five:
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Wow, some of my favorite Sith done in your style! Fantastico! Look for this on our fp soon.
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Decided to update the preview cover of Issue 5 to look a little less like a screenshot from Bohemian Rhapsody!
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Wow, this is gonna be a great chapter. I can't wait to see it. Time to get that teaser on the front page.
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Some of my all time favorite characters! Can't wait to see more DH
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Issue Five - Descent, Part One - now uploaded!
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Awesome. Time to go spread the word. More comments later!
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I'm a huge KOTOR/TOR fan, so I LOVED this chapter!!! Excellent job, truly a fun read! Can't wait for more DH
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Such an amazing chapter!
I heard all the Darths' voice actors in my head.
Simply wonderful!
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Glad you guys like it. Wasn't too sure if mixing the Clone Wars and Old Republic eras was going to work at first, but it seems to have worked out okay.
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I really enjoyed this episode. I thought I would not be able to have a more favorite villian than Kastrofa, but I must say this Lord Tok looks like he might outrank him. I love the characters you are coming up with and seeing the character develop from some of my favorite Jedis (like Mace Windu).
I know that The Clone Wars Fans are feeling terribly let down after the end of the TV Series and even though you see a mention every once in awhile from SW.com you can really see that we are getting ready to link to the REBELS timelines and of course Episode 7. This gives those fans something to hold onto and I really appreciate you doing that for them.
Finally, your story and artwork just keeps getting better. I know this to be true because as soon as I am done I get frustrated that I am gonna have to wait to see how this turns out. You are doing well with your writing if I am getting that feeling. Only a few of my favorite authors do I do that with.
Time for another front page shout out too. This is too good of a work for folks not to notice. I am also sharing this on our Facebook Page too.
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I reiterate everything Tamer has written; fantastic fiction, and no better source than the Clone Wars period which remains I think the ultimate wellspring of combat-orientated storylines (and dramatic shockwaves radiating from, in all corners of the galaxy) in Star Wars lore.
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Kualan,
I've started reading this from part one and I just wanted to let you know how much I continue to enjoy your creation. The dialogue is so slick it just draws me in. I love the characters and all the amazing locations.
Part one is just superb... I'll keep reading.
Jules
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I really enjoyed this episode. I thought I would not be able to have a more favorite villian than Kastrofa, but I must say this Lord Tok looks like he might outrank him. I love the characters you are coming up with and seeing the character develop from some of my favorite Jedis (like Mace Windu).
I know that The Clone Wars Fans are feeling terribly let down after the end of the TV Series and even though you see a mention every once in awhile from SW.com you can really see that we are getting ready to link to the REBELS timelines and of course Episode 7. This gives those fans something to hold onto and I really appreciate you doing that for them.
Finally, your story and artwork just keeps getting better. I know this to be true because as soon as I am done I get frustrated that I am gonna have to wait to see how this turns out. You are doing well with your writing if I am getting that feeling. Only a few of my favorite authors do I do that with.
Time for another front page shout out too. This is too good of a work for folks not to notice. I am also sharing this on our Facebook Page too.
Thanks Tamer! Glad you're enjoying the new villain - I think Railas Tok is shaping up to be my favourite of the series too, since we know more about his background and history than we did about Kastrofa. And there's more to come!
I reiterate everything Tamer has written; fantastic fiction, and no better source than the Clone Wars period which remains I think the ultimate wellspring of combat-orientated storylines (and dramatic shockwaves radiating from, in all corners of the galaxy) in Star Wars lore.
You're completely right about the CW-era, John. Although I love every period of SW lore for different reasons, the Clone Wars definitely takes the top spot for galactic-scale combat and battle sequences.
Kualan,
I've started reading this from part one and I just wanted to let you know how much I continue to enjoy your creation. The dialogue is so slick it just draws me in. I love the characters and all the amazing locations.
Part one is just superb... I'll keep reading.
Jules
Cheers Jules! Here's a preview of Issue Six - Descent Part Two, for you to read once you have caught up with the other issues!
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The rest of the issue shall be coming soon!
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Time to take the new teaser to the front page.
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Issue Six - Descent Part Two, is now here!
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Wow, awesome chapter. I didn't have the time this morning to read it, but I did it anyway. Thats how hooked I am. Look for this on the front page in a few minutes. Thanks for sharing Kualan!
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Man, that was awesome!!! I truly wish that Rebels, and a lot of multimedia SW events, were as fun and well executed as this! Thanks for all the work you put into these!!!
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Thanks guys! Unfortunately, due to my RL work schedule at the moment, it could be some time before Descent Part Three is completed. So in the meantime I knocked up a little teaser image of some of the characters and plotlines that are going to take place during the rest of Volume Four. A sort of trailer in comic form, I guess.
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Brilliant effort, and full of enthusiasm. I look forward to more of your stories as and when life gives you leave to enjoy producing them :) They entertain and inspire others like myself to get a' movin' with our own fictions too.
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That new teaser has me intrigued. I need to go get that to the front page.
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Preview for the next issue, Descent Part Three!
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Beautiful Cover. Time to go to the front page. I am so enjoying this.
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I bet the droid fighters don't have the same problem with firing on civilian aircraft! I certainly can't wait for more.
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I bet the droid fighters don't have the same problem with firing on civilian aircraft!
Your instincts serve you well, young Padawan!
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Issue 7 - Descent Part Three - now available below!
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So that concludes the Manaan arc of Volume Four! Thoughts/feedback welcome!
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Nice, had to get this on the front page. Man, some of your imagery with the light saber battle between Mace and Tok are fantastic. The colors really make the entire image pop.
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Nice, had to get this on the front page. Man, some of your imagery with the light saber battle between Mace and Tok are fantastic. The colors really make the entire image pop.
Thank you Tamer! Glad you like the lighting effects during the duel. Each volume of the series I try to find something new to add to the technical side of things. Volume Three it was advancing the facial expressions of the characters instead of being blank 3D puppets, and in Volume Four I've experimented more with lighting effects (particularly with lightsabers).
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AWESOME!!! As always, an amazingly engaging and fun ride! Your technical expertise and gripping stories make this series a true joy! Thanks for all your hard work!!!
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In the absence of new Clone Wars episodes, your series has been so, so great at getting me my Clone Wars fix!
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Thank you folks, glad you're still enjoying it! And speaking of getting a Clone Wars fix, I recently completed making a brand new 3D model for a character that started in the TV series and will appear later in Volume Four. Here is their concept art:
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Wow, that Embo is fantastic. Time to share.
I am reminded of how cool it would be to see your characters take on life in action figure form. It sure would be cool thats for sure!
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Here is Issue 8 - Fugitive!
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My comments are on the front page. Kualan you sure do know these characters so well. Thanks for sharing the latest chapter.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, this scratches my Clone Wars itch so good. This series is nothing short of perfection. The plot, the characters, the script, the custom models... it's just so perfect.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, this scratches my Clone Wars itch so good. This series is nothing short of perfection. The plot, the characters, the script, the custom models... it's just so perfect.
Wow, high praise indeed. Thank you smeagol!
Preview for Issue 9:
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Such a great portrayal of Palpatine. The endless plans within plans, sowing discord and distrust of the Jedi Order with the military... are you sure you're not secretly a writer for Lucasfilms?
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Great stories :) The comic book covers are a welcome bonus. All solid material that will satisfy any fan of SW's grander soap opera episodes. Visually, it's the 'missing link' between The Clone Wars animated style and live-action stills.
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Sowing the seeds of insurrection. I like it. Off to share.
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The first issue of 2015! Issue 9 - Hutt Diplomacy.
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Wow, Tok in Mandalorian Armor! Fantastic. I can't wait to see where this goes. I do like your take on Mandalorians. They sure aren't the weak folks portrayed in TCW. Fantastic storyline yet again. I can't wait to see the next chapter already! Thanks for sharing this with us Kualan. Off to give this a share.
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Wow, Tok in Mandalorian Armor! Fantastic. I can't wait to see where this goes. I do like your take on Mandalorians. They sure aren't the weak folks portrayed in TCW. Fantastic storyline yet again. I can't wait to see the next chapter already! Thanks for sharing this with us Kualan. Off to give this a share.
Plenty more Mandalorian action to come! I've also been updating the Mandos' 3D models for future issues so there can be a wider range of Mandalorian characters. For example, this concept art of an updated Amelia (the Mandalore):
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Also been making a whole range of new 3D models for the rest of the volume. Spoiler alert - the Mando armour isn't the only costume change Tok is going to have over the course of Volume Four! Also got a new Quarren mercenary character who will make an appearance soon:
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Nice, this update looks great on the front page.
Man, that is some improvement int he work on Amelia! Love the Quarren too.
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This issue features one of my favourite opening pages in the whole series. I present, Volume Four Issue Ten - Horrors Of War!
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Wow, love the cover. Let me go get this on the front page before I have to leave for work. I can't wait to read it during my lunch break today!
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Another excellent chapter, truly enjoyable! Its difficult for me to even comment on your technical prowess, as it is so far beyond what I could ever achieve. Thank you so much for your incredible work!!!!
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I couldn't wait till lunch so I read this during a break. What can I say other than fantastic. Tok is getting ready to be my favorite villain which is a feat after my favorite Kastrofa. You keep making the artwork and storyline better and better in my opinion. My only critique would be having to wait for more chapters! I can't wait to see what Tok and our gal Mandalore get into next. Thanks for sharing!
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Oh the Horrors that i have been witnessed to. I can't take my eyes off of them,
They make me want more, TOK is the supreme villain. May his path of destruction be long and fruitful.
Great work, Thank you.
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Glad you guys liked the last issue! To try and keep with the spirit of the cancelled TV series I'm thinking of posting some accompaniments each time a new issue is uploaded similar to the episode guides of the show. Concept art, trivia, background information etc. What do folks think?
Also, a preview of Issue Eleven!
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Rergarding adding supplementary information, yes, a very good idea :) I do the same for my Star Wars Toyscapes photostories on my FB group - when all the photos are loaded into a single post they can be read like a slideshow; in the text box beside them, I add background notes and deleted scenes etc. FB is a very good format for that kind of presentation, although a standalone web-site or blog with the same functionality and none of the general social clutter would be better. Or, add new posts below your story updates in Imperial Shipyards and contain each episode in a different thread to make for easier navigation?
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Sounds like a great idea. What a great start to Issue 11 too. Talking how powerful their new tech is only to have it blow up in their face. Just awesome! Off to share.
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I'll create some extra pages on the Tales From The Clone Wars website (see my sig) for the supplementary material, I think. Expect to see it soon!
But for now, here's the next issue! Issue 11 - Intrigue!
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Another highly-impressive installment narratively and visually. If there's ever to be more TCW TV movies then the script is right here in this thread :D
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On the front page. I will take some time to leave better comments than I did on the front page later.
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Thanks folks, glad you're still enjoying it, I was worried the plot might be getting too crowded. This issue starts a new subplot for the volume with Palpatine running into trouble in the Senate. It's based on one of the plotlines for a future season of TCW that never made it to air.
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Its about time I left better comments. First off when I saw the Senate stuff I started to groan going back to my feelings when Filoni pretty much ruined a few episodes over the Senate Stuff (just my opinion folks). Now I can handle it the way you included it to show how Tok was causing Palps some trouble and you made your point and moved on. I am interested to see how Tok takes to being bossed around by Grievous. I don't see good things happening there. I also enjoyed seeing the dark side a bit in Mace. I knew he had it in him if the truth be told. Once again you have me hooked on your characters, storyline, and action. I wonder how Embo is going to handle Mace? Great episode.
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Its about time I left better comments. First off when I saw the Senate stuff I started to groan going back to my feelings when Filoni pretty much ruined a few episodes over the Senate Stuff (just my opinion folks). Now I can handle it the way you included it to show how Tok was causing Palps some trouble and you made your point and moved on. I am interested to see how Tok takes to being bossed around by Grievous. I don't see good things happening there. I also enjoyed seeing the dark side a bit in Mace. I knew he had it in him if the truth be told. Once again you have me hooked on your characters, storyline, and action. I wonder how Embo is going to handle Mace? Great episode.
Heh, yeah I didn't want to linger too long with the Senate scenes! They were necessary to get Tok on Sidious' radar however...and we know it's never a good thing when a Lord of the Sith starts to take notice of you (just ask Ventress)! As for Mace's dark side, there was always an 'end justifies the means' edge to Windu (look at his actions in Episode Three) that I tried to touch on in this issue with his treatment of Tameron. It's hardline, it's cold, but nowhere near cruel or evil.
The confrontation with Embo is going to be fun, and there will also be some classic droid-versus-clones action in the next issue too! And you're right...Tok is not going to be happy about taking orders from Grievous!
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Volume Four Issue Twelve - Cutting Ties!
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I am going to go share this and will leave better comments later. I can't wait to see how the battle on the cover turns out!
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Fantastico!
Enjoying this epic immensely, a hybrid of live-action and TCW animated narrative styles.
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Love it. I read this one fast the action was so intense. That last image reminds me of the Sith lighting up their lightsabers for TOR Videos if you remember them. I loved those preview videos.
Great chapter Kualan. Daggone now I have to wait to see how this turns out. I am glad you didn't kill Embo off by the way.
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Another most excellent chapter Kuulan!!! Your series makes the lack of any more official Clone Wars episodes a little less painful ()rr
Tons of great action, while setting up for a pretty epic finale. That's a hard balancing act to toe, you have my most sincere respect there! Keep 'em coming!!!
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Phew! Sorry for the delay, here's a preview of Volume Thirteen:
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Well I didn't see that coming. Great preview. Time to go share it.
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Here's the full version of Issue Thirteen Volume Four - Echoes Of The Past, Part One.
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The only feedback I can give is don't make me wait long for the next chapter! Tok and Mace are gonna fight side by side against Dooku and Grievous! Bring it on! Excellent Chapter.
Off to share this in the usual places.
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Thanks Tamer! Don't worry, the next issue should be up a lot faster than the last one.
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Here is the next issue folks - ECHOES OF THE PAST, PART TWO!
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Absolutely fantastic! What a great way to start the weekend. Look for this on our front page soon. You have got some major players together here. I am so looking forward to seeing Tok and Grievous exchange a few pleasantries. Your story has me on the edge of my seat. I will be honest I am enjoying your storyline for The Clone Wars so much better than what we got in the TV Series. Bravo Sir!
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Got this on the front page. I am still reeling from who is gonna win this thing. Thanks for sharing Kualan.
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Another excellent chapter, this is truly a remarkable series and treasure of the hobby! Your cinematography is beautiful and your pacing absolutely spot on! Needless to say at this point, I adore your characterizations of our classic heroes and love your original creations! Know that I will be an unwavering fan for as long as you continue to produce this awesome comic!!!
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Glad that you guys are still enjoying this series four whole volumes into it. I knew in early issues when I had Grievous and Tok exchange insults in their first meeting that I wanted those two to cross blades before the end of the Volume - and as far as I know we've never seen Grievous' four blades fight a double-bladed lightsaber before so it will be interesting choreographing that fight for the next issue.
I'm not sure how many issues will be left in the finale arc for Volume Four - two at the very least, though not all plot threads will be tied up as neatly as they have in past volumes. Some characters and storylines I intend to carry over to a potential Volume Five.
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I also like how you are resolving the personal issues between main characters too, like you did in the past issue with Tok and Mace. I can envision Mace being an even tougher Jedi now that he has resolved that particular crisis. It still irritates me a bit that we don't know if he survived or not after ROTS. I for one think he was one Jedi who could survive and wreak some major havoc. Anyhow I like how you are handing some of my favorite CW Characters.
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I've been wanting to read this since you posted it, so I read the last last few installments a little bit ago. I think you do a great job with this series. I'll definitely continue to read!!!
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Phew! Long overdue, but here is a preview of the upcoming Volume Four finale - coming soon!
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It is so great to see an update on this. You know how much I like waiting on new chapters. Thank you Kualan for always writing more. Off to share.
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Thanks Tamer!
Here we go folks, the grand finale to Volume Four of Tales From The Clone Wars! This is likely to the be the last in the Clone Wars series for a very long time...but I have other projects in the works that might find their way to a Shipyards near you soon!
Volume Four, Issue Fifteen: Echoes Of The Past Part Three!
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Fantastic! Off to share. More comments when I get time to read this on my break today!
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Wow, didn't see that coming for Tok. Guess you reap what you sow so to speak. Wow I enjoyed this. Glad to hear another series is coming even if its not TFTCW. You have done a fantastic job keeping that story line alive when it was just abruptly stopped. I enjoyed your view of TCW better than the show, truth be told. Thanks for sharing your graphic and writing artistry with us. I can but wait for your next series.
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Wow, didn't see that coming for Tok. Guess you reap what you sow so to speak. Wow I enjoyed this. Glad to hear another series is coming even if its not TFTCW. You have done a fantastic job keeping that story line alive when it was just abruptly stopped. I enjoyed your view of TCW better than the show, truth be told. Thanks for sharing your graphic and writing artistry with us. I can but wait for your next series.
Thank you Tamer! One of the reasons the finale issue took so long to produce was because I kept swaying back and forth on what Tok's final fate should be. I settled on the final version because I felt it balanced the karma Tok deserved with the evolution that Windu and Sarella had taken across the course of the volume - not to mention the growing 'dark side' to the Republic that has become a recurring theme for the series as a whole. I'm really pleased you liked it!
And just as I did with Tok's fate, I keep going back and forth on the fate of the comic as well. More Clone Wars? Not more Clone Wars? The debate rages! Part of me wants to move into new eras of the Star Wars galaxy, but another part of me thinks there's so much more potential to this time period. I'll be taking a short break anyway and see how I feel when I come back to the project anew.
At least that gives me more time to enjoy some of the great stuff taking place on the Shipyards these days.
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Well said. I cannot even imagine how long it took to put all this together. I know I have worked for days on just one graphic let alone how you do all of yours and then splice them together, write the dialogue, etc. I know its a huge undertaking to do something like this and you can see the views and how much people like it. I sure wish folks would comment more, but its like trying to get em to vote they just don't!
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Wow, talk about an excellent ending. Excellent job (as always) with this entry; however I have to say those last few frames were by far some of my favorites. I also loved the juxtaposition of the Yoda and Dooku shots, where they face each other. Amazing work!
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Glad you enjoyed it Jodo. It's tricky coming up with different ways to convey non-verbal stuff (like that moment between Dooku and Yoda) in comic form.
Folks, after some storyboarding sessions I can announce that 'production' has started on Volume Five of Tales From The Clone Wars! I came up with a plotline that I think is interesting enough to stay in the Clone Wars era for one more volume at least :)
Here's a sneak preview of the first eight pages of Issue One - Brothers In Arms:
EDIT: Preview removed. Full issue can be seen here: http://www.imperialshipyards.net/SMF/index.php?topic=9848.0
I'll post a new topic to launch the volume once Issue One is completed.
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Wow, great stuff. I am out of internet time this morning but rest assured I will give this its due exposure.
So glad to hear this will continue or heck any series from you will be great Kualan!
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I ended up finishing the first issue today (I always seem to work faster with the opening issue of a new volume for some reason), so I'll start up a new thread shortly!